Music is subjective. Just like every other form of art, how much you enjoy it depends on a number of different factors, like the genre, melody, lyrics, or lack thereof. But it’s hard to deny the brilliance of 'Miura'. The 6:43 minute gem strips back disco music to basic basslines, drums, handclaps, cowbells and a modest vocal to reinvent the genre for a new era. The song is so brilliant in fact that Resident Advisor named it theirnumber one song of the noughties, 2000-2009. The song was composed by Darshan Jesrani and his partner in disco Morgan Geist as Metro Area. When it was released in 2001, shortly followed by their self-titled debut album, the nu-disco genre was launched and it has dominated dancefloors eve since.
More than ten years later, Jesrani is still hard at it, spending most of his days in his Brooklyn studio, about to launch his own label Startree, and DJs when he has the time. Pulse Radio had a chat to Darshan ahead of his Australian tour this month to talk about organ duets, the current state of electronic music in New York and the real meaning of disco.
Pulse: Like most producers, I’m guessing your studio is your second home. What is your studio set up like? Darshan Jesrani: I have a commercial space here in Brooklyn where I work from. I use to live with my stuff when I lived back in Manhattan but when I came here to Brooklyn I decided to make a new space and set things up separately so I could feel like I was going to work everyday. I just have a bunch of instruments, mixing consule, a computer, pretty normal studio stuff, a microphone and other assorted noise makers. I do try to get here everyday and I do try to treat it like a full time job. There’s something to do here everyday and often I can spend really long days here. It becomes my little heaven and hell.
Do you keep your vinyl in the studio or in your apartment? I keep like a rotation of records down at the apartment, and I have a lot up here too, but I try to keep the stuff at the apartment limited to the things that I am actively playing so they don’t over run the place.
How many vinyls do you have? Not that many compared to other DJs, maybe a few thousand, 5000, 6000. I’ve known guys that have basements full of records but I have a fair amount, more than I can mentally count for. Sometimes I go record shopping in my own collection, for stuff that I haven’t listened to in years that I don’t remember I have.
Do you get surprised by what you find? Sometimes, yeah. And sometimes when a record comes around and you listen to it or you buy it, maybe you’re really not ready to listen to it fully or appreciate it. But then you just let it sit, give it years, and it’s the most amazing thing, like a completely different record the second time around. Sometimes it’s a matter of where you are mentally when you acquire it. Sometimes you could come across it again years later and it will sound like something new, which is interesting.
Do you have a favourite in that collection? Nah. There’s so many kinds of records that are suited to so many different kinds of situations it’s a bit hard to pick a favourite.
When you come to Australia will you bring vinyl or CDs? I’m going to bring vinyl and then a couple of small books of CDs to supplement them, but most of the set is records.
What kind of music do you plan to bring with you to Australia? I plan to bring a mixed set of old and new music. A bunch of old disco records and then a bunch of housey, electronic things, just going to go back and forth between them depending on what the place feels like and what kind of mood people are in.
In Sydney you’re playing with Daniel Wang. How long have you guys known each other? I’ve known Danny since he lived here in New York, which was probably a good ten years ago now. Danny has been kind of an inspiration to my and Morgan’s exploration of disco stuff when we started in the late `90s because Danny was already messing around with that stuff. So I’ve known Danny’s work for a while, even before I had met him and then I met him here in New York and we did occasional parties. We’d keep in touch, but then he moved to Berlin and I see him just about as frequently, which is pretty nice.
Is it often that you get to play together? We don’t get to play together too often, but I did play with him in Berlin at Soju Bar last year and it was really fun. He had a good disco night going there. He has great taste and has really good records. I think you’ll enjoy his music, he plays very musical disco stuff all the time but always with that really good, generous feeling that dance music is meant to have, it makes people feel good.
The Sydney Festival is a big event every year here in Sydney where all the best Sydney parties put on internationals and it’s always a lot of fun, so it’s a good party to play at. I’ve seen a picture of the venue, it looks really, really nice.
It is, they’ve got a grand old organ that lines the back wall, which is really beautiful too. Like a pipe organ? Do you think that people would mind if I let a record run out and then I ran over to the organ and did an organ solo?
No, not at all! That would be awesome! We could have like a real haunted house moment. I think that would be pretty cool. Maybe Danny and I both, I’ll be on the super low end and Danny could be on the high end, or visa versa. Pipe organ duet, that’s not something you see a DJ do everyday. I’m looking forward to it I think it will be really cool.
You and Morgan played together at the Brooklyn Electronic Music Festival last November. Do you guys get to play together very often? We were a little bit of a last minute addition. It was nice to play with Morg here at home. We play separately a lot, so it’s fun to play together, especially here at home. And that place (Cameo), the sound normally really sucks but that night it sounded really good, I think they might’ve change something. It was fun to play.
What do you think of the current electronic music scene in New York? I don’t know, it’s hard to say. To be fair, lately I have been spending a lot of time getting stuff done in the studio so I haven’t been going out a lot, so I might be missing stuff. I know there’s a lot of promoters and there’ s a hell of a lot of talent for sure, a lot of people making records, but I think we have a serious shortage of venues here in the city and I think that has to do with real estate being really hard to find here in New York and space being really tough to come by, especially cheaply. That said, people are really doing their best to work around all that stuff. You see a lot of people throwing parties in temporary spaces or lofts and random commercial spaces.
But in terms of having actual dedicated discothèques or places to go and dance I think we are at a low point historically. We use to have tones of discos and tones of places that were just dance clubs, like huge places where it would just be this huge soundsystem, where you could go and get lost there. But starting in the early 2000s, or even the late `90s, the trend shifted towards lounges, and in the 2000s the trend shifted towards ultra lounges, whatever that is. Basically bottle service spots, no dancefloor, or a tiny little dancefloor, or a dancefloor that was compromised by tables and stuff that had to be moved. So not a place where the priority is getting the crowd to dance. I really miss that actually, even from the point of view of wanting to have a place that I could go out and go dance. I like to be anonymous, just go to a place and go and dance. When I use to go out in the city that’s what I would do. I didn’t really want a lounge, I just wanted a spot to dance at. I miss that. I think that people are working on some stuff. There are some things in the works that I hear about so hopefully it will come around again.
You said in the 90s there were more spots to dance. When you and Morgan first started making music in the `90s, what was it that you guys wanted to do and bring to that scene? I think our early records were a reaction to other stuff that was going on at the time because we were both buying a lot of Chicago house records, stuff that was made in the mid to late `90s, and we found that a lot of those producers were looking up old disco records. A lot of the stuff was really loopy, like a disco loop with a kick drum. What we wanted to do was experiment a little more and tried to, instead of sampling disco, tried to break the idea of disco open a little bit and try to do our own take on it coming from a modern perspective, a house and techno perspective and use some of the vintage atmospheres and production techniques that we heard in those records. It was basically disco made with a deep house mentality or a techno mentality and that’s I think what made ours really work particular to us. We weren’t trying to make a disco record with a lot of horns or an orchestra and shit, we were trying to do something really spare, like almost with an early `80s New York or Chicago mentality, just exploring disco with limited means, skeletal versions of disco.
That’s why a lot of people reacted to the stuff. A lot of write ups would be like, yeah, these guys basically edited out all the parts that might normally be considered cheesy, bombastic, that huge major key disco sound. We basically kept all the stuff that was cool for the modern ear. That’s basically it in a nutshell.
From what you learnt back then and what you made back then, how has that changed to what you make now? Now I want to make really cheesy records cause I’m tired of making stuff that’s tasteful. Nah, I’m just kidding. There’s a little bit of truth to that. I’m experimenting with a more playful and a little bit more psychedelic music right now in terms of dance music. I feel like now everything is so tasteful and it’s easily made tasteful, people know how to do all the proper chords and everyone has their production techniques to do quite passable records. So I’m trying to break it open and do something that is a little more rambunctious, but it’s hard to explain without playing something for you. I hope I have something to play by the time I get there. I’m trying to reverse a little bit of the tasteful trend but not do it so much that people won’t play it. So it’s kind of a gamble.
Gambles are good. I think that all the best things that have happened in music over the years has happened because of gambles, because people tried something new and took a chance so, I think it’s a good thing. Thanks. I’m just trying to keep the same head that I was in when I did Metro Area. You know, Metro Area was very much a reaction to the marketplace and we were being contrary. So I’m kind of doing the same thing now. I don’t want to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, I really want to do it.
Is that kind of plans you have for Startree? Yeah, exactly. Some of it will vary depending on the project name, but for the first release and every project under this name it will be like this.
When do you plan on having the first release? I’m trying to get a date from my distributor, so I’m hoping end of February, early March.
Why did you want to start your own label now? Because Morgan and I haven’t been making Metro Area records in a little while and I wanted to start a new brand as an umbrella project for myself and all of my stuff. I felt like that would be a good thing to do instead of signing different projects to different labels and put it out all over the place, I just wanted to keep all my stuff in the same place and build up a nice catalogue of different stuff.
Will you release anyone else’s music? Yeah, definitely. But very selectively and not really being too conscious of who is a hot producer and who is releasing on other labels, I don’t really want to play that game of sharing the same talent pool with all the other labels. I will release other people’s stuff but it’s going to be kind of on a record by record basis and for personal reasons, you know, if I really love the song, and also if I can see some potential in the song for me to remix it or maybe if it’s not quite market ready or club ready I could do something with it.
So big plans for 2013 then? Yeah, for sure. It’s about time! I’ve been making plans to do this label for the past year so I’m really anxious to get it up and running.
How long have you liked disco? How did you first get into disco music? It’s hard to tell. I’ve heard it all through my life, and I always really liked it, but I didn’t have quite the relationship to it. I haven’t always been a real enthusiast about disco records. I’ve always had musical phases. It’s only now, in the past 10 years, that I’m realising how disco music connects all the other disparate genres of music together. Disco to me now really just means music that you can play in a club, so that could be everything. And that kind of goes back to the old definition of disco where you could go to a disco or club and hear Motown records and rock and roll records and weird European `60s 45s and all kinds of stuff, so I think disco as a concept is pretty cool, just records you can dance to or records that are oriented towards dancing.
There was a lot of traditional disco on the radio when I was a kid, you know, all the big pop disco songs like 'Funky Town', all the Sister Sledge stuff and all the Nile Rodgers and Chic stuff and those big records that people think of when you say disco. But then through house music, going backward, I got introduced to a whole other world of disco, you know all the independent, back room stuff that people never really talk about, so that’s a whole world in itself. People in the late `70s doing these small run batches of records on independent labels and some of those records are really, really amazing too. And then never mind all the imports. Disco sound was an export, so you get all these records back from other countries that are doing a US black and Latin-rooted disco sound with their own twist, so that’s another whole world. Disco to me is all pervasive now, it’s everywhere.
One of the things that I really love about disco is that there are so many records out there that you would never be able to discover it all. Yeah, there’s so much. You can make things disco records too. You can discover something yourself and it can be some oddity and you can play it in a club and people dance to it and instantly it’s a disco record. But it’s a disco record of your creation, you added it to the disco cannon by playing it for people so I think that’s a pretty cool thing.
Do you ever look back at that time and wish that there was some club or place that you could’ve gone to in the `70s? I just wish that there was that kind of club and that kind of partying happening now. Where you could go to a space and it would really be oriented around the sound and the dancing and the DJ would play music that is really appealing on a bunch of levels, body level and mentally and emotionally and everything. I feel like right now, we probably have more people dancing worldwide than you ever have. Clubbing is really, really popular, but I feel like it’s missing a bunch of pieces. Some stuff in the music, the music could do more.
[Darshan Jesrani plays the Picnic party at Sydney Festival with Daniel Wang on January 19th. Tickets here]
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